--SYRIAN CONFLICT--ALAWITES VS SUNI/ISLAMISTS

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--SYRIAN CONFLICT--ALAWITES VS SUNI/ISLAMISTS

Mensajepor Jay » Septiembre 18th, 2012, 2:05 pm

para esos de Uds que piensa quel gobierno Sirio esta al caerse, en Damascus solamente hay cientos de miles de Alawites, armados hasta los dientes, y 100% en el "camp' del regimen. Como dice este articulo de la BBC, en los barrios Alawites y Cristianos, no hay batallas.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19425458

Damascus Alawites stand firm behind Assad

"..............The sectarian polarisation between the ruling minority Alawites and the majority Sunnis has raised fears of revenge attacks, but life inside Alawite neighbourhoods of Damascus carries on as normal, as if there was no fighting.

Advertisement hoardings, banners and pictures of President Assad are everywhere, while in the centre of al-Mazzeh 86 there are slogans such as "Assad or the Day of Judgement" spray painted on the walls.

"This area represents the crux of the regime," Saed, a lawyer and son of a senior officer in the Syrian army leadership said. "I do not see any signs of splits in either the army or the ruling authorities. They are one fist now. It is difficult to infiltrate them"
In the middle-class neighbourhood, children play in the clean narrow alleyways, teenagers stroll around, and residents go shopping until late at night........................."
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Re: --SYRIAN CONFLICT--ALAWITES VS SUNI/ISLAMISTS

Mensajepor Jay » Septiembre 18th, 2012, 2:20 pm

Ya en la ciudad de Aleppo, los que dirigen la Resistencia son Islamists. Comenzo con nacionalistas/revolucionarios (se acuerdan de una revolucion que comenzo algo parecido y despues se radicalizo?), pero ahora los toros que mas mean son los Islamists.

Y NO ESTOY HABALNDO DEL "MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD" COMO EN EGiPTO. Los islamists de Siria, nutridos por hierro y sangre, son mucho mas extremistas y radicales. Es Al-Qaada bajo otro nombre, y si logran en tomar el pais, ya veran las Fieras que asomaran sus cabezas. Ni los Talibans de Afghanistan (mas primitivos y en un barrio menos peligroso e importante) no se comparan con los animales que van a dirigir a siria si tumban a Los Alawites, quienes no son buenas gente, pero por lo menos son seculares e 'inclusive', y no religious fanatics.


In Syria’s largest city, rebellion takes on an overtly religious tone

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"......................The battle for Aleppo that began with a rebel offensive in mid-July has settled into a stalemate. The rebels here control largely the same neighborhoods they took in the initial offensive. But there is something different here – a distinctly religious tone that this reporter hadn’t heard elsewhere in more than seven months covering Syria’s rebellion.
“This is not a revolution, it’s a jihad,” shouted one man, angry, as he stood near the rubble of the apartment building mentioned above. Behind him, men worked with a bulldozer, trying to reach people they believed were still alive under the rubble.
As the death toll in Syria continues to rise, and the end of hostilities seems no closer at hand, the words from February of a Syrian activist, who fiercely defended the democratic and non-sectarian nature of the rebellion, resonate.
“If no one else comes to help, of course people will turn to religion. When you are dying, of course you will become more religious,” he said.
The fight for Aleppo, much better planned and coordinated than perhaps any rebel offensive so far, offers a window into what things might look like after the Syrian government falls. Liwa Tawhid, one of the largest groups fighting here, had even made contingencies for policing rebel controlled neighborhoods and laid out plans to set up schools. Their plan for schooling includes religious instruction, and their council for making decisions about the fate of prisoners includes an expert in Islamic law.
At a mosque being used as a base for fighters in another neighborhood, a sign warning civilians against entering was another sign of the religious drift. The sign referred to the men inside as “mujahidin,” which translates as holy warriors, as opposed to “thowar,” which means revolutionaries.
Last Tuesday, at another rebel base, members of Ahrar al Sham, a group whose members describe themselves as Salafis, followers of a conservative strain of Islam some of whose followers also are thought behind last week’s attacks on U.S. diplomatic facilities in Egypt, Libya and elsewhere, handed out leaflets delineating the difference between mujahids and other rebels. It used the perjorative term “shabiha” – a Syrian word that usually refers to pro-government militiamen accused of carrying out some of the war’s worst atrocities – to refer to non-mujahids.
The leaflet had multiple aims, including criticizing rebels who might loot or use their weapons carelessly. But it also explained that a mujahid prays, and “Knows very well that God will give us victory if we apply his law by studying it and spread it between people nicely.”
The mujahid “Uses his weapon to support the oppressed people and their rights in a way that God accepts and nothing else,” the document continued.
Under Syrian President Bashar Assad and his father, Hafez, who preceded him in the presidency, the imams of mosques across Syria were appointed by the government. Elections were single party exercises, with only the Syrian Arab Baath Party, which espoused a secular state, allowed to organize. Religious proselytizing frequently earned a prison sentence.
So it is no surprise that religious men would be on the frontlines of the fight to end Assad’s rule. Hafez Assad’s government brutally repressed any opposition, and the most serious challenge to his rule was an uprising led by the Muslim Brotherhood in 1982. Many rebels say they expect that after the fall of Assad, parties such as the Muslim Brotherhood would contest elections.
In Aleppo, Jabhat al Nusra, another Salafi group that has been known primarily for claiming bombings against government targets, is an actual fighting force here, with an identifiable base of operations from which it carries out guerrilla strikes. Members of the group declined interviews.
“We are fighting only for God,” one of them said, refusing to be identified. “Not to be in the press.”
But they know what their image is outside Syria. “They say in the West we are Al Qaida,” one Jabhat fighter scoffed, meaning it as a denial.
Discussing such issues can be a delicate task for an American journalist in a place where “Are you Muslim?” is not a strange question as introductions are being made. On the frontlines, some fighters stress that Islam and Christianity share many common tenets.
“We all have the same goal, the fall of the regime,” said Yousef Abboud, a leader of Liwa Tawhid. “Every country has some people who are more religious.”
Then he added an assertion frequently made by religious conservatives in the region: “I believe Islamic law is preferred by most people in Syria because it protects people’s rights,” he said.
Other fighters assert that the strength of the religious fighting groups here has more to do with the fact they appear to be better financed than other groups. “Many people join Ahrar al Sham and Jabhat al Nusra because they have money and weapons,” said one fighter who declined to be named with Suqqor al Sham, another rebel group fighting here.
He said he believed the religious conservatives will lose their fervor once the fighting was done.
In the meantime, however, jihadis and non-Syrian Muslims and Arabs coming to Syria to join the fight, bringing with them various levels of expertise and religious fervor, are welcomed here, though their numbers are small; during a reporting trip, none was encountered. But the general sentiment is that no one else is coming to help.
The shelling goes on around the clock, as do the flyovers and attacks by Syrian air force jets and helicopters. Despite the danger, people still stand in lines for hours to get bread, sometimes scattering as a helicopter or plane flies low. The bakeries themselves have become targets as well, with two being hit in as many days last week.
Another frequent sight is people with as many suitcases as they can carry looking for the first ride out of the city.
On Tuesday, in front of another destroyed building in the city’s Haidariya neighborhood, a crowd shouted “Allahu akbar” as three children and their mother were pulled alive from the rubble. God is great indeed, if that’s what you want to call whatever force saved those four people. The neighborhood is sympathetic to the rebels, though a visit to the area earlier in the day had revealed no discernable military targets.

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Re: --SYRIAN CONFLICT--ALAWITES VS SUNI/ISLAMISTS

Mensajepor xana » Septiembre 22nd, 2012, 2:47 am

Jay escribió:Y NO ESTOY HABALNDO DEL "MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD" COMO EN EGiPTO. Los islamists de Siria, nutridos por hierro y sangre, son mucho mas extremistas y radicales. Es Al-Qaada bajo otro nombre, y si logran en tomar el pais, ya veran las Fieras que asomaran sus cabezas. Ni los Talibans de Afghanistan (mas primitivos y en un barrio menos peligroso e importante) no se comparan con los animales que van a dirigir a siria si tumban a Los Alawites, quienes no son buenas gente, pero por lo menos son seculares e 'inclusive', y no religious fanatics

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Re: --SYRIAN CONFLICT--ALAWITES VS SUNI/ISLAMISTS

Mensajepor Jay » Enero 24th, 2013, 1:02 am

He seguido la triste guerrita esta. Ningun Arab Spring. Los Kurdos en el Norte ahora estan en batalla contra grupos Islamicis Sunis.
Hezbollah del Libano (Shias) mandando milicias para defender a Damascus y en pie de guerra en el Libano.

Grupos Islamicos Fundamentales como-- Jabhat al Nusra--, quin USA nombro hace poco como un "Terrorist Group", son los que mandan en el campo de Batalla.

Hay mas de cincuenta grupos armados en Siria. La mayoria sin diciplina alguna (Igual quel Segundo Frente de Pelayo---templar nama).

Entra Jabhat al Nusra. No toman, no roban, EXTREMADAMENTE DISIPLINADOS, sin temor a la muerte y con la maxima experiencia de batalla, por que lucharon en Iraq contra USA. Veteranos. TODO SIRIO JOVEN QUE SE ALZA, SE UNE A Jabhat al Nusra, que es Al-Qaada, basicamente.

Jabhat al Nusra es el grupo que toma bases militares y direje la estrategia en Siria---Estan tomando casi el control total de la resistencia.

Desde afuera hablan mil mierdas---PERO LOS QUE DECIDEN SON LOS QUE ESTAN ARMADOS-

-Preguntel a Pelayo--eL Segundo Frente del Escambray--Comandante William Morgan--entro a Cienfuegos y se templo hasta las primas de Pelayo---todO el mundo enamorada del Yanqui Comandante--Pelayo IN LOVE TAMBIEN--

MORGAN ERA UN COMEMIERDA--se la arrancaron despues---Pelayo noblemente trato de sacar a su mujer del pais-todo eso es historia
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Re: --SYRIAN CONFLICT--ALAWITES VS SUNI/ISLAMISTS

Mensajepor xana » Enero 28th, 2013, 6:27 pm

Jay escribió:He seguido la triste guerrita esta. Ningun Arab Spring

Si ganan los islamistas, será un largo invierno. :( :(
Jay escribió:Desde afuera hablan mil mierdas---PERO LOS QUE DECIDEN SON LOS QUE ESTAN ARMADOS

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